24 Elders, overflow from post 2

Some of the 24 Elders Might be From the Hebrews 11 Hall of Faith

The harvest chart, ^{_{above at mark 2.7,}} shows the 24 elders as the first-fruits of God’s Barley Harvest of souls. They might be those who ‘came up’ out of their graves right after Jesus Christ died on the cross and who, after Jesus was resurrected, came to life and went to Jerusalem to be seen by many. And/or The 24 elders are the spirit-souls who Jesus Christ released from captivity in Hades, some of whom may be among the heroes from the Hebrews 11 Hall of Faith, over a third of whom were not Israelites. It’d make sense since the Barley Harvest is for all nations just like the Wheat Harvest.

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It’s only the Good Grape Harvest that’s mostly exclusive to the Jews.

The Hebrews 11 Hall of Faith

A few final things to consider

Appointed Times/Holy Convocations . . .

. . . are not merely rituals . . .

. . . they’re meetings with God Almighty.

‘First Fruits is a Torah holy convocation is God’s appointed time of the barley harvest, is when every field owner must bring a sheaf or ‘omer’ with ripening barley ears to the temple. (A sheaf or omer is a quantity that can be carried by one person if bundled.) At the temple, a priest will wave it in a special way before God, burn part of it and save part of it to eat later. The priest will also sacrifice a flawless lamb as a burnt offering, along with a wheat flour-oil mixture and wine. The specific timing for ‘First Fruits’ is given in Leviticus 23, the day after the first Sabbath following Passover. Only after First Fruits could God’s people harvest their own portion:

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Agricultural Harvests are Symbolic of Harvests of Souls

At the appointed time of ‘First Fruits’ (of the barley harvest) in the year of Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection, Jesus brought a ‘sheaf of souls’ to His Father in heaven. The 24 elders are that sheaf. No one appears before God the Father empty handed, not even God the Son.

(standing by His tomb after His resurrection) Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” (John 20:17)

Could the Open Door Barley Harvest be a relatively discreet harvest?

Did Jesus camouflage its existence – making it difficult to distinguish from the Wheat Harvest – because of satan? Especially since the owner’s portion of the Barley Harvest seems to be His bride? Regarding Satan, although on the one hand he can’t wait until Christ’s bride is gone, he also desperately tries to prevent as many saints as possible from being part of her, and thus from being kept from the hour of trial that’s going to come upon the whole world; Satan’s most jealous of the bridegroom.

I don’t know for if the Open Door ‘Barley’ Harvest necessarily has to be a harpatzo (rapture). St. John got to the throne room of God without being ‘raptured’. He was taken, ‘in the spirit’ up to heaven through an ‘open door’ almost immediately after he wrote down what Jesus told him about the Church of Philadelphia. That sounds like a big clue. The bride of Christ must get to heaven before the gleanings (fifth seal martyrs) because the gleanings can’t be legally enter heaven before her. That’s Levitical law: No gleaning can be harvested until the owner’s portion of the harvest has been fulfilled. But, St. John didn’t describe a snatching when he went up, only God’s voice sounding like a trumpet and an Open Door.

Final Questions: What about the dead? Is there even a formerly dead part of the bride? Or did God plan it so that those who were to become His bride would all be on Earth at the end when there’s a population of 8.3 billion so they won’t have to see death? But, if there are some of His bride (or bridesmaids) among the dead, then all those who’ve ‘fallen asleep as part of the bride of Christ will be resurrected; Admittedly that’d look just like the Pauline rapture scenario. Now, Enoch was raptured and so was Elijah; The Two Witnesses will be also and so probably the 144,000; Therefore it seems quite reasonable that Jesus Christ might rapture His bride and then later, in about a year, rapture His reformed/repentant/washed tribulation saints, especially since St Paul wrote to the Thessalonians before the Corinthians. That means that first he wrote the main rapture passages in the context of a unified church. But only later he came to experience a new pattern that started in the church of Corinth where many were not resisting but easily yielding to teachers of false Jesus’.

On a related note: Regarding Rev. 7 10-14: St. John saw those who came out of the great tribulation standing before the throne of God, and one might wonder if that only includes all the people since the crucifixion who turned to Christ only after going through great tribulation in their lives before coming to faith, to qualify them as ‘wheat’, because only wheat requires the tribulum. If that’s the case, won’t it mean that those who more easily believed in the salvific power of the blood of Jesus Christ, repented and put their faith into action without ‘requiring the tribulum’, will be resurrected as the bride (and/or bridesmaids) through His Open Door?

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The Three Harvests of Saints interpretation would be broken if the events of the seals were expected to continue all the way to the end of Daniel’s 70th Week.

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Context, the Sixth Seal: Revelation 6: 15-17

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!  For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

Rev. 6: 15-17

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So, as you can see, in order to believe that the ‘sixth seal’ extends all the way through to the very end of the fulfillment of the wrath of God Almighty, one would have to believe that it makes sense for those hiding from God to shout “the great day of their wrath has come” after having just gone through at least six of the seven horrible trumpet judgments!

The sixth seal is also when four angels restrain the release of God’s Trumpet Judgements until 144,000 Israelites, 12000 from each tribe, are protectively sealed for their mission; An angel places the seal of the living God, Father and Son, on their foreheads.

And why would they, suddenly need that protection if so many of God’s harmful judgements had already been released onto Earth, including the first woe which is the 5th trumpet that announces the stinging scorpion/locusts that attack everybody except those who are sealed?

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The Tribulation Saints

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”  And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”  I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

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Since there are otherwise excellent Bible expositors who embrace the extension of the contents the sixth seal all the way to the very end of the seventh year, I must point out that the Rev. 7 passage we’ve been focusing on here, is quite unlike the Daniel 12:2 resurrection https://ref.ly/Da12 which refers to a later time; And it refers only to Daniel’s people ‘the Jews’, in which many will awake from the dust of the earth. By comparison, the sixth seal passage of Rev. 7, refers to a harvest of all nations, tribes, peoples and languages.

Originally, I saw different ways to arrange the pieces of the multi-harvest puzzle;

But, because this site holds to God’s 6,000 yr. (Covenant years) plan for mankind, (slightly different according to human calendars) followed by the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus Christ, the possibilities have narrowed greatly.